But we could probably get an idea within an order of magnitude for most cases.
I was hoping for that, we do not have to give up wich sites we are talking about, just numbers.
Good work getting this started Yaron
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Wordtracker is much easier to use
I have not tried the SBI tool and not even the full version of wordtracker, so I do not really know what I am talking about
From what I have seen in the free version is that WordTracker only tells you how many sites are fighting for the Keyword
But like Charlie pointed out somewhere on this forum, you shouldn't just look at how many sites are compeating for Keyword, but also how strong they are.
That is why I like to do things manually.
But in a way I am sure the WordTracker is way more professional tool and exact.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:28 pm Post subject:
HorseMan wrote:
Good work getting this started Yaron
Thanks HorseMan.
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From what I have seen in the free version is that WordTracker only tells you how many sites are fighting for the Keyword
No, the free Wordtracker also gives you the number of searches in their
database, i.e. the "demand" side. They take data from some metacrawlers; Metacrawler and Dogpile, I think. The free version restricts the number of keywords you can search at a time to 30, but it's actually quite useful. You should try it for real.
My theory is that since Wordtracker uses free search engine for its keyword data, it's a better representation of how searches on free engines are like than Overture. But I have no proof!
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But like Charlie pointed out somewhere on this forum, you shouldn't just look at how many sites are compeating for Keyword, but also how strong they are.
True, you can have 500,000 sites for some keywords, but none of them actually optimized for it. You'd be better off with the 500,000 than with 5000 optimized sites with a zillion links going into each.
- Yaron
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My theory is that since Wordtracker uses free search engine for its keyword data, it's a better representation of how searches on free engines are like than Overture.
But doesn't most of Overture's "demand" come from premium listings on partners' sites, rather than their own? Many of these are "free" SEs, and the Overture results are merged.
Just a thought,
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:37 pm Post subject:
Charlie wrote:
But doesn't most of Overture's "demand" come from premium listings on partners' sites, rather than their own? Many of these are "free" SEs, and the Overture results are merged.
No, the free Wordtracker also gives you the number of searches in their
database, i.e. the "demand" side. They take data from some metacrawlers; Metacrawler and Dogpile, I think. The free version restricts the number of keywords you can search at a time to 30, but it's actually quite useful. You should try it for real.
What I meant was, they do not tell you anything about how strong the compatition is, only how many are searching for it and how many are compeating for it.
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My theory is that since Wordtracker uses free search engine for its keyword data, it's a better representation of how searches on free engines are like than Overture.
I actually think that because it is on almost every free search engine (like Charlie pointed out) Overtures database might be bigger than WordTracker.
I have no idea where WordTracker gets it's datas from.
But you are totally right Yaron, one should double test with both systems, Wordtracker is only around $230 a year.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:08 am Post subject:
HorseMan wrote:
What I meant was, they do not tell you anything about how strong the compatition is, only how many are searching for it and how many are compeating for it.
HorseMan,
Do you mean that Overture indicates how strong the competition is by the price of the bids? Well, the price of the bids is certainly an indication, but for free search engines I like to go directly to the source, and that's looking at the sites that come up at the top positions. I look for page rank, incoming links, keyword repetition, etc.
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I actually think that because it is on almost every free search engine (like Charlie pointed out) Overtures database might be bigger than WordTracker.
Yes, according to numbers supplied by WordTracker, the Overture database has about 450 million keywords, and the WordTracker database has about 350 million keywords. WordTracker accumulates it's data for 2 months, and Overture for one month, though. But this size difference is not enough to explain huge differences in keyword counts for some keywords.
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I have no idea where WordTracker gets it's datas from.
I think the WordTracker manual says it's from Metacrawler and Dogpile.
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Please Everybody More Life Examples, that is what we all learn from.
That's right. You don't even have to disclose the keywords. The numbers are enough.
But you are totally right Yaron, one should double test with both systems, Wordtracker is only around $230 a year.
Or about $6 for one day... You can do an intensive one day of research each month (say), and they'll keep your data safe in between. Most people will not need to use Wordtracker on anything like a daily basis.
Cheers,
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