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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Independent Thought, or Parrot Conventions?
If you are ever intrigued as to whether a certain poster is on the R Team, consider this...
"Have they been speaking publicly about SBI for the last couple of months or considerably longer than that?"
I'd say that's as good a test as anything as to whether they are posting because they want to or because they feel others think it's a good that they should.
It's tough on any new fans, but without the requirement that an R Team member states publicly in every post that they are acting "as an agent of Sitesell", it's hardly fair on anyone.
The daftest thing of all, here, is that there are several people who have been promoting SBI for years who are now being misinterpreted just because of this whole half-baked, defensive R Team concept.
The idea is understandable, but it's coming out all wrong. Everyone knows how well SBI works for many people (if not everyone). None of us need telling what to stand up for. We all know what we think and should express that.
Just a thought,
Charlie.
P.S. I was going to say "forums are for independent thought, not parrot conventions", but I worried I'd be misunderstood. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Independent Thought, or Parrot Conventions?
billreid wrote:
But you went right ahead and said it anyway.
Yes, I forced myself.
Cheers,
Charlie.
P.S. Between you and me, Bill, I think it's great when people "get it". _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:
Hi Charlie,
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It's tough on any new fans, but without the requirement that an R Team member states publicly in every post that they are acting "as an agent of Sitesell", it's hardly fair on anyone.
Not quite clear as to what you mean by ?agent? Charlie. Do you mean if someone is a Site Sell affiliate, which would include yourself, they should say so in every post?
I can see that you are saying you believe members of SBI?s response Team should declare themselves to be so. Personally I don?t agree.
If someone is enthusiastic about SBI, that will come through load and clear in their post and basically that is all that members of the Response Team are - enthusiastic about SBI.
Do you mean if someone is a Site Sell affiliate, which would include yourself, they should say so in every post?
Goodness, no. There'd be no bandwidth left.
No, just the R Team members. The people who are responding because the company has asked them to.
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If someone is enthusiastic about SBI, that will come through load and clear in their post and basically that is all that members of the Response Team are - enthusiastic about SBI.
My point has nothing to enthusiasm, but rather their reason to start standing up for the product in public. You are one of the people I was meaning when I said...
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The daftest thing of all, here, is that there are several people who have been promoting SBI for years who are now being misinterpreted just because of this whole half-baked, defensive R Team concept.
You might be in the R Team now, but you've been posting your positive experiences of SBI since 2003 (or thereabouts) - long before the R Team was conceived. You stood up for it without anyone asking you to, presumably because you believed in it yourself...
Yet now, I've seen people actually say "who's this Larry Chamberlain - is he just posting because he's in the R Team".
Regarding the identification of the R Team via sigs...
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Anyway a stipulation like that would be up to Allan.
I was thinking it was up to Ken - part of the R Team code of conduct - to be applied in all forums.
I am on a crusade against the reason for expressing these views, not what people are saying or who's saying it.
But rest assured, Larry, I know you aren't just saying things because Ken & Co asked you to - it's some of the others I wonder about.
Cheers,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
I take your point, but honestly I can?t imaging anyone feigning enthusiasm just because they were asked to do so, the enthusiasm would have to be there.
I don't think they feign enthusiasm, I'm just quibbling over the motivation for expressing it. What prompted anyone to talk about it now?
If you or I had set up that R Team thread in SBI-F, it would have just been a hypothetical good idea to the people I'm meaning. Yet because Ken publicly rolled out Lisa's idea, everyone jumped.
Just look at the piggyback posting and general creeping and you see the same names time and time again. These are who the R Team is for. Not you, Larry. (I judge who's in it by the context of what I know about them outside the team.)
What we've ended up with is a team of tell-tale-tits running to teacher for some public brownie points. By the look of the R-Team forum section, being seen to do the right thing is far for important than getting their own facts right before responding in other forums. It's defend first, think about the question later.
(I must admit I can only comment on what I see of the R Team's work. It's possible that some people do go about it quietly and in the right spirit, without shouting about it in public. I know you, for one, don't squeal in SBI-F everytime you post here. But the fact remains that the Team concept seems designed more for people who like the public plaudits more than the principle of fairness, let alone the right of debate.)
For me, getting it is not just about doing the right thing, but doing the right thing for the right reason.
Just how it comes over to me.
Cheers,
Charlie.
P.S. You can see why I always end up arguing. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
What we've ended up with is a team of tell-tale-tits running to teacher for some public brownie points.
I wasn't a fan of the "R Team" for a number of reasons, the above being one. I notice that many of the top response advocates were new owners with little or no substantuated knowledge. Especially since many would reply with pre-generated responses supplied by team headquaters.
I was even pegged as a troll for posting I Am...Not. I guess I should have been more specific in my post, but at the time I didn't want a debate over why. Had the "R Team" accuser taken the time to view all my post, they could have seen that I've been a member of this forum since 2003. Hardly a Troll.
In fact, due to the help of many in this forum, this is where I decided to purchase SBI. One of the few places one could get unbiased advice from members. Before SBI even had a forum or a "Response Team"
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